White House Asked Howard To Stay In Blair House To Give 'Some Plausible Reason' For Refusing Obama

Eric Albert...................... I totally agree with you on that one.

When the Obamanuts realize that racism is an American thang, and that Obamatumpski does not get a free ride, then America is sunk.  Save your money, hord your food, and get ready for the end.

Man, that was of "no value" Brian.

Jaywolf, I don't think Brian is working on a full deck.  That sounded like something grade scholars would come up with.

Amen to that Joe.  I just mark most of this things with "no value".

Actually... you can just say... "Bush doesn't care."

Actually Donald, as much as I enjoy and agree with your postings, I feel the need to disagree with you on this one.

Bush is an arrogant ass that shows his disdain for Democrats, but he has never shown a moment of prejudice that I have ever seen. The guy has kept the most culturally diverse staff than any other President, and even after 9/11 he came out quite clear about protecting Middle Easterners in the US.

Whatever, point is we all knew it was more of the usual bs.

Bush is an arrogant ass that shows his disdain for Democrats, but he has never shown a moment of prejudice that I have ever seen.

Respectfully I disagree. If those had been throngs of white people in New Orleans I think he'd have moved a whole lot faster then he did. I think once you scratch his surface his a classic class/racist. He has nothing but disdain for poor people in general and poor black people in particular.

Katrina, Katrina, Katrina, it all comes back to Katrina.

I ask you, WHO KNEW that when people were warned of "imminent death" if they did not evacuate, they would NOT evacuate?  One can certainly understand poverty, but no one could have ever predicted Mass Stupidity; and I saw both blacks and whites that stayed behind.

The government's failure (if you want to call it that when people don't have sense enough to get out of the way of a hurricane!!!) was equally to blame for the New Orleans Mayor, Nagin (who is black), and the Louisiana governor, Blanco (who is white).  Enough of Katrina already ....... and, quit making this a "race" issue, and that George W. Bush was out in the Rose Garden doing a rain dance.

This is ridiculous!

Bush doesn't care about any people, whatever their color. He has a general disregard for all of us, equally.

George W. Bush was out in the Rose Garden doing a rain dance.

Actually (as usual) he was on vacation and couldn't be bothered to respond. Also nearly everyone I saw on TV who was stranded was black. The fact is Bush doesn't care about poor people in general and poor black people in particular.

Sandra,  Having lived through Ike and Rita and having hosted Katrina evacuees, I need to comment on your post.

Firstly, all those who stay behind are not 'stupid'; to state this shows either a level of inhumanity and/or a lack of understanding of HOW evacuations work.  Both Nagin and Blanco(as well as Bush, point #2) are severely culpable in the enduring, enormous mismanagement of this disaster.

Secondly, The FEMA head appointed by Bush to 'handle' these disasters was a Horse Show Judge(and buddy of his, lets not forget that). A HORSE SHOW JUDGE!!! He hardly had the qualifications to work in FEMA let alone direct it.  Now there is mass stupidity.  Was Bush just betting that there would be no disasters? He did not need to do a 'rain dance', his inept Presidency was disaster-provoking enough! Please.

As for 'enough of Katrina', when, if ever, FEMA completes it's job down there, then we can close the chapter on this gargantuan piece of malfeasance.

Lastly, Nagin is an ass.

Regards

Barbara in Houston, to my knowledge, there were many buses provided, and people refused to go -- buses left empty.  There were other people that offered rides in their own personal vehicles, and people refused to go.  That, to me, is stupidity when the New Orleans people were told of imminent danger; black, white, rich or poor. 

You stated Nagin is an ass.  Where did that come from?  My point was clear that if we're going to continue to "blame" government, then blame it at the local, state and federal level; Nagin, Blanco and Bush. 

I agree, FEMA was a disaster in itself. 

My argument is that "it didn't have to be such a crisis situation if people had listened in the first place."  And, furthermore, government's ONLY responsibility is to warn people to evacuate. 

My family also hosted Katrina "refugees" in Northern Louisiana.  I have an inkling of what transpired. 

The idea that people didn't evacuate is completely false. The majority of people evacuated. The majority of people that stayed were largely the elderly and their families that stayed with them.

The point of Katrina was those that obediently followed the orders and evacuated to the Super Dome were abandoned as unfounded rumors of roving gangs of black people causing mayhem were willingly believed by the majority (blacks and white alike) which made truck drivers reluctant to deliver supplies without security.

At the crux of all this is that evacuees followed orders and were abandoned because of racist notions about black people.

And just for the record, it was the DEMOCRAT govenor of Louisiana who wouldn't let supplies come into her state for over a WEEK!!!

Proof, please.

Blanco asked for aid before the levees broke.  Perhaps if Bush had chosen a competent FEMA head, it would have happened.

Sandra, CamJ and subsequently toolband made responses to your statements that would have made my replies redundant.  We all work together here to converse and disagree in an enriching manner. :)

Nagin IS an ass. One shinning example is when we, in Houston and surrounding area, were suffering from the depredations of Ike, Nagin made it a point of going to the media to say (sic) they can come to NO and ask for the 'Ray Nagin special'.  That is where it came from.  That and when someone is such an obvious and profound ass, I like to say it.  Often as I can.

The true disaster was not nature's storm but the crippling under-performance of Nagin, Blanco AND Bush.  Most especially Bush.  A storm lasts for hours; the disaster called Emergency Management has lasted for years.  It is still going on and the deployment here recently was proof.

Additionally, The government's responsibility is Emergency Management, not just to provide warning.  It is part of what we pay taxes for.  Can anyone really say that the best Bush could do was to appoint an incompetent Horse Show Judge to the level of the Director of FEMA?  Come on now.  Though I agree this is not a racial issue(even though by circumstance Blacks did suffer the most), nor, as toolband stated, is it a partisan issue.  It IS most pointedly an issue that has been cited in articles of impeachment.  For my money those articles should have been signed.

That being said, I must apologise to James Andre and others who came here to the discuss Blair House debacle.

Regards

How did this become a rehashing of Katrina, the Bush legacy, FEMA, and evacuation procedures?

Focus, people.

OK, change has come because I'm about to defend Bush.   Petty as it may be, Bush is still President for the next few days and has the right to say no.  Historically, there is quiet resentment for the incoming administration.  Who wouldn't be a bit miffed if the wildly popular new employee comes in for your job a bit too soon?  Remember, these are just people.

Obama is not without resources.  The Hay-Adams ain't the Budget Suites.  I'm sure the hotel owner LOVES the business in this economy.  I'm sure President-Elect Obama doesn't think he and the President are BFFs.  And it's doubtful this is the first or last snub of Obama's political life.  He can handle it.

The only people who should be up in arms about the refusal of the Obamas to the official, 119 room guest house is the US taxpayer.  As much as the Obama's stay (including security and entourage) will cost, the taxpayer is the only one who can rightfully gripe.

Anyone who blames Bush for this is either ignorant or themselves a racist!

No one blames Bush for the storm, just his piss-poor response. Also I still maintain that if those had been mostly white faces on TV he'd have jumped a lot faster.

As for being more on topic, this was the Bushes flipping off the Obamas. Still at least part of the time Blair House will be used for going away parties and anything that gets that punk Bush out of town is alright by me. The sooner he's gone the better.

Any proof of your allegations? Besides, even it is true (doubtful) that doesn't change the fact that Bush had a piss poor response to the storm and would have had a better and faster one if those were white faces on TV.

CHIMPY IS AN arrogant slug

AV what the hell are you talking about?????

That was a "no value" comment and maybe a violation of the CoH.

Hum got the wrong author I ment Ameriana2 not AV

Hell I don't know what I mean  To tired to think sorry

Bush is an arrogant ass that shows his disdain for Democrats, but he has never shown a moment of prejudice that I have ever seen. The guy has kept the most culturally diverse staff than any other President, and even after 9/11 he came out quite clear about protecting Middle Easterners in the US.

Some of his best friends are named Bin Laden.

And Bush's buddy Rumsfeld was quite buddy buddy with Saddam back in the day, lucky :)

I have seen the pictures J.G. I am surprised that Saddam's defense team did not call Rumsfeld as a character witness...oh yeah, they couldn't because he is such a known liar.

Heh heh.

The job of Secretaries is to check hands and speak what others write, TJG. Same will happen over and over. Rumsfeld did what he was told.

Det, you realize that Rumsfeld is photographed shaking hands and smiling with Saddam?

Perhaps you should educate yourself first about topics, then respond.

Jones, you are sooo right!

One of McCain's many homes is in Virginia.  And he had no school age children to settle in.

Yeah, but did he remember that?  lol

I totally agree with that observation.  Blair house should be left vacant in an election year so that the only one who has access is the incoming President Elect.   This was definitely a childish in your face move on the part of the present administration.  It was probably not GW's idea.  I don't think he's had an idea since he's been in the WH.  Probably a Cheney or Rove idea.  Petty in the extreme.  That PM should leave gracefully. I don't even think it's racial.  Didn't the Bush people put out that when they were coming into the WH the Clinton outgoing group did some kind of damage or something along those lines I don't remember exactly.  Maybe someone else in the thread does.

Gee, the same administration that couldn't produce any evidence of the outgoing Clinton adminitration's alleged vandalism of the White House, now doing something spiteful to the other side's PE?  Lying about vacancy at the Blair House just to cause what trrouble they can on the way out?  No, they'd never do that!  Next thing you know, there'll be wild accusations that Bush actually had information available that Iraq didn't WMD's or links to Bin Laden.

Catgirl,  You are referring to the debunked rumor that the Clinton administration removed all the W keys from computer keyboards.  I'm not sure where that started, but it has since been proved false.

Every computer keyboard had to be replaced.  The GAO.  Clinton's looted Air Force 1. 

When asked to provide evidence of these things the Bush administration suddenly dropped it.

There is one President at a time.

Det??  Just what sense did that make??

The Obama smokescreen is about to take a bong hit!

Det??  Just what sense did that make??

You'll quickly learn not to expect much sense from that one.

There is only one President at a time.

There is only one President at a time.

Which means very little in the case of this argument.  Does being the president mean that Bush couldn't have been gracious and accomodating of the Obamas?

"All federal agencies, including the U.S. Census Bureau, must follow federal standards for collecting data on race and ethnicity. These standards define five basic racial categories: American Indian or Alaska Native; Asian; Black or African American; Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander; and White. The standards also define two ethnic categories: Hispanic or Latino, and not Hispanic or Latino. The census form lists more detailed racial categories, which the Census Bureau later aggregates into the basic categories. Census respondents may also select more than one racial category. The U.S. government uses race figures from the census and other agencies to guide many aspects of public social and economic policy. For example, census racial data can affect legislation and funding for affirmative action policies, welfare programs, and educational programs for minority groups."..................I quote MSN Encarta.

The U.S. Census Bureau uses the words "Blacks or African American."

I have read books and saw TV shows that said; Northern Africans were a mixed race people. Asian and African mixed races in Egypt and other Mediterranean Countries.

James Andre

What you say is true and I know better.

Lash me to the main mast and give me a taste of the bosun's daughter. 

James Andre, Ye are one mean landlubber, I would rather take a keelhauling.

African-Americans were the losers of the battle.  It was either be put on a boat or be killed.  All the slave blood black people were the losers in their battle. 

We HOPE for many things, but I do believe use of Blair House was denied simply because Bush COULD. He has proven time and again his disregard/disdain of others. The man is not only ignorant, he IS biased and divisive. A sad example for a Nation's leader. I for one can't say goodbye fast enough! It turns my stomach.

Landrieu, Blando and Nagin. All Democrats. All got the money in the past to improve the levees but that money went to other priorities of the politicians.

All got the money in the past to improve the levees but that money went to other priorities of the politicians.

Priorities or needs, thanks to Bush slashing federal funds to states, det?  Show me exactly what that money was spent on.  Back up your rhetoric.

determined,  You are determined to make this a partisan argument.  Let me state clearly, many people were to blame for the disasters of the past 8 years.  HOWEVER, the blame stays at the desk of the sitting President.

Don't forget: There is only one President at a time.

And Det???  Get a bit of education....the levees was strictly federal, administered by the Army Corp of Engineers, the state didn't get that money....

Landrieu, Blando and Nagin.

Blando Calrissian?

The state did get the money, and had many opportunities to help the big easy ( New Orleans ).  The people of New Orleans sold each other out, Period.

RNoel, ;>))))

The state did get the money, and had many opportunities to help the big easy ( New Orleans ).  The people of New Orleans sold each other out, Period.

And I have some prime swamp land down there you should buy.  It used to be my house.

I have a feeling the moon is made out of green cheese, but that has nothing to do with the actual physical state of the moon.

Do not underestimate the power of the Force. ;-)

"I was watching Carlson last night, and generally, where I come from, "I have a feeling" does not constitute "revealing" anything definite or proven about anything."

So, if I owned a restaurant and you and your wife walked in with your two children and saw couples everywhere and at least 10 tables open but I tell you I hav e no tables ready....you would not get the "feeling" your children weren't welcome?

Most certainly, especially if John Howard came in and was seated right away at a table.

"Getting the feeling" isn't the problem. Proving that he "was invited to fill a seat after the fact" is.

To reveal something as a "fact," it most certainly takes more than feelings. Being turned away from a restaurant with 10 empty tables doesn't prove anything, regardless of one's feelings. They could have had half the kitchen staff call in sick that day, and had to close off a section.

BUT, if someone comes in and is immediately seated in the area with the 10 empty tables, it would prove the lie, and move beyond the level of "feeling."

That lie has not been established sequentially nor proven in John Howard's case.

Ok, the obvious way to settle this is to get info on the vacancies at Blair house for the time in question and who, besides the former Aussie PM, is filling up the rooms.  Though it wouldn't remove the speculative statements from the reporter, it would provide evidence of Bush's honesty or lack thereof.  Anyone got a link?

Why do you libs deny the president his right to enjoy his presidency.  Obama is a kook.

Brian, you're acting as if Obama is asking to move into the White House before January 20th.  He wasn't.  He was asking to use Blair House if it was available.  It seems that Bush's priorities are such that a lone former Australian PM takes priority over the PEOTUS and transition staff.

As far as Bush getting to "enjoy" his last days in office, so be it.  He's already taken advantage of these last days to put out orders that can end up screwing over millions.  Just so lon as he doesn't give in to the temptation to press that big, red, candylike button that can wipe us all out in an instant or declare emergency powers to stay in office after January 20th, I figure most things he can do on that power-tripping bender can be undone.

Yosho you can't argue with Brian-65 he is always "right".

I would think that Bush has enjoyed his Presidency about as much as he can stand. 

If he really wanted to enjoy those last days he could have Howard stay at the White House.  They could kick back - soak up some VB (or XXXX) and Lone Star - knock back some nachos - and watch the playoffs on the big screen TV.

Perhaps Laura? Um, nah.  Guess not

It is his one true strength, being an ass. He does it so well.

No, even Laura knows it, but she admires her "ass."

Bush did not want the Obama losers around him.  It might rub off!

"Obama losers"? If the Obama folks are 'losers' what are the McCain folks and the other Republicans that are dusting off their resumes? Super-losers?  Mega-losers? Ultra-losers? Hyper-losers?

Bush did not want the Obama losers around him.  It might rub off!

Brian the loser is in your mirror every morning.

Not a damn thing.

Extra crispy barbecue sauce.  Bush helped the continent of Africa more than any other president, Period.

So, from a far left whacko to a far right whacko, what is your take on he FACT that Obama was told Blair house was booked, and the FACT that it actually wasn't and the FACT that an invitation was sent after the request? Not to mention 118 rooms and the whole house is reserved for 1 person for 1 night?

I am in the middle, as I think you lefties and those on the far right are all idiots. Margaret Carlson is not credible. What show was this on? Countdown? Who hosts countdown? That's rigth, real objective. Getting your news Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman is no different than letting Rush Limbaugh give you your knowledge... What will you lefties do after Bush leaves office? Who will you spew hate towards?

"Who will you spew hate towards?"

Will you be around?   Lol, just kidding really.

AV, It is not hate.  It is, has been, and will be charges of incompetence.  Hopefully in legal form.  This person, Bush 43, has been the worst President, ever.  E V E R

And BTW, you are only one American Voice, not 'America's Voice'.  But I am sure that you knew that.

Regards

That is your opinion...

And the opinion of most in this  country.

Obama has just proved he is an incompetent idiot.  Worthless, and with no leadership skills.

Brian can you ever offer a comment without name calling? I know you are passionate about discrediting Obama but offer some reasoned argument once in a while.

This story is so unimportant....I can barely.....finish....this...sente.....

I have to disagree it does show the lack of protocol and a small matter of a waste of taxpayers money oh wait business as usually for the Bush administration.

The chosen moniker, in my opinion, said it all.

Apparently not.  In fact, I agree with 3sheets2thewind, above - this is a non-story.

Now - a real story (a real man-bites-dog story) would have been if Bush had let the Obama's use Blair House.

Gailm,

The Obamas did not get the Blair House.

We got a TV Doctor for the General Surgeon and Panetta to be the Head of the CIA.

If you feel screwed up, I feel the same with the other two choices of the new PE O.

Who lost more?

If you feel screwed up, I feel the same with the other two choices of the new PE O.

Considering that neither has taken their office or done a thing, how can you feel screwed up?  They might be brilliant in their roles and I feel they will be.  Obama is shrewd and smart at choosing those who work for him.

Or are you just complaining to toe the rightwing line, with no reasoning behind it?

Pretty well credentialed by ANY standards.

As if people like determined care about these strange things known as "credentials." Gupta performed brain surgery five times in the field? Psh, Doogie Howser's probably done that way more times.

determined, James got there before I could, but let me add just a bit of empirical experience. 

I am alive today because of the brilliance of two neurosurgeons at MD Anderson here in Houston.  A hospital that Gupta does consultations for.  They take only the best of the best from around the world.  Brilliance IS brilliance.  

The facts just may not fit your preferred partisan agenda.  Sorry, your point is not a point.

Jack, You crack me UP!!!

We got a TV Doctor for the General Surgeon

It's not like he's a brain surgeon or something.

Oh wait, he is.

Don't you look like poo?

Don't you look like poo?

Laughing again!!!  Did not think there would be so much of it on this thread.

Regards

Still Dr. Gupta is a TV surgeon. Regardless of his brilliance that I am very glad.

Dr. Gupta should be next to our new PE O and make sure that he stops the habit of smoking.

The fact that he's on TV doesn't mean he's stupid on unqualified, det.

If I were you I'd quit while I was behind...

TJG

Our new PE O has or had some associations in the past and present. .

Hey, det, that's card's been played and rejected.

Got anything new?

Yes

http://www.suntimes.com/news/education/1365268,CST-NWS-inspect07.article

WTF does that have to do with well, anything?

Our new PE O has or had some associations in the past and present. .

Breaking News: Obama found not be a mountain hermit.

Yes, Jack, and he simply failed to prove to my satisfaction that he has not read War and Peace.

toolb,  Can we wait until he gets into office, please, before you start writing his post-mortem?

I disagree that "everyone loved Bush" at any time. I didn't like the little punk before he ran and my opinion of him only went downhill after he took power. In fact when his popularity rating was 90% after 9-11 I'm proud to say I was one of the 10% who still hated him. He's such a total and complete idiot and always was.

I stand corrected. That's exactly what you said. Still, I do hate Bush.

I disagree that "everyone loved Bush" at any time. I didn't like the little punk before he ran and my opinion of him only went downhill after he took power. In fact when his popularity rating was 90% after 9-11 I'm proud to say I was one of the 10% who still hated him. He's such a total and complete idiot and always was.

We are soul mates and I still want to have your baby. :-)

LOL! Maybe you already have? There's been some pretty crazy and hazy nights in my past. I can't remember whole weeks in some years.

I can't remember whole weeks in some years.

I've heard that when people die they get to revisit their life so maybe I can see what the hell I did in the '70's, I know I didn't go to no damn disco but outside of that it is pretty fuzzy.

Yes, it's true some people did.  The majority did not the first win, but he was in there anyway.  Then he poisoned the country with fear the next time, and people are usually terrified of change so the combination of the two worked.

We are soul mates and I still want to have your baby. :-)

he-he  This is so funny.  

I'm proud to say I couldn't stand him from the beginning and it tenderly grew to hate over the years.  I'm just was clueless how he could get in once, let alone twice.  Whatever - it's almost over now.  Well, except for the next 50 years of fall out from it all.

Well, people love their children families, hubbies but not someone that becomes President.

Well, people love their children families, hubbies but not someone that becomes President.

I don't want to love the president I do respect the office of the Presidency.

I want to respect the person who holds the office, I do not respect Mr. Bush.

Well like Bush probably said (but I don't know that he did) "Being president is not rocket surgery".

People loved George Bush before he trashed the country too! Let's give BO a few years under the strains of the oval office before we crown him, shall we?

Yeah, I have to say that I was alright with Bush until about 3 months after 9/11. At that point, he apparently got dropped on his head and became Cheney's ventriloquist dummy.

I think the Blair House was afraid the Obamas and their children and their friends, I'm sure with that many rooms they would invite their hood from Chicago to stay with them, would tear up the place. I have the same fear of what is going to happen to our White House!

I've heard that they want to paint the white house in 5 different colors:

Bright candy apple red, neon pink, forest green, royal purple and sunshine yellow in the form of a rainbow over the whole building.

I've heard that they want to tear it down and replace it with a model of the Millennium Falcon.

Wow, I was afraid that McCain would turn the white house into a old folks home!  Picture it:  The smell of stale ben-gay fills the air, complimentary heart monitors, defibrillator machines and orthopaedic shoes for every guest, plenty of Ensure,fiber and prune juice in the refrigerators.  Then when VP Palin visited, there could be a AK hillbilly ho down with barbequed mooseburgers for everyone on the front lawn and square dancing under the stars.    Ah, dreams of what might have been!!

Yeah, and they'll have neon beer signs hanging on he wall. Put a padded roof on the limo and Barack will wear one of those really long coats with a big wide brimmed hat and Elton John Sunglasses.....Get a life Vic.  They have been living in nice homes for a while, you think they just moved out of the projects? Or are you worried it won't be the "White" house anymore?

and Barack will wear one of those really long coats with a big wide brimmed hat and Elton John Sunglasses..

LOL! Seriously, I laughed.

But while we're on the topic, can you imagine what the WH would look like with Palin living there?  Cars on blocks on the lawn, rusting metal everywhere.....

Not to mentioned Turkey's being slaughtered in the background during WH news conferences.

I've heard that they want to tear it down and replace it with a model of the Millennium Falcon.

DudethatwouldbesobosslikeOMFG!

Yeah, and they'll have neon beer signs hanging on he wall. Put a padded roof on the limo and Barack will wear one of those really long coats with a big wide brimmed hat and Elton John Sunglasses

Don't forget the malt liquor dispensers next to every door.

Not to mentioned Turkey's being slaughtered in the background during WH news conferences.

And instead of the Annual White House Easter Egg Hunt, it'd be the Annual White House Easter Wolf Hunt.

Look what you folks have done.

[I vote Millennium Falcon].

Thanks for the vote.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4162944/Barack-Obama-meets-US-presidents-at-White-House-lunch.html

Our new PE O is part of the clan now. And .......we........for got ten. More money will be spend and the printing machines are 24/7.

det, Are you channeling Jedi Master Yoda?  What's with the syntax?

My dad actually once thought he might find a reason to suspend the constitution before he would be seen leaving the White House.

Oh THANKS, jbird, I just got the picture of Rush in a teddy(from another thread) out of my mind and now you share that thought.  I guess I won't be sleeping again tonight.  ;>)

Perhaps it should be put to a vote as to who is the real Republican bogie man; Bush, Rush, or O'reilly?

Or woman..... Don't forget Palin.

I am sure that GWB is more kind to our new PE O than what Bill Clinton was with him.

jbird, Your dad was joyful wrong. The diatribe of suspending the Constitution of the USA was a fabrication of the Dems to agitate the masses.

42nd,

Don't worry, by now probably the Bushes are moved to their new home in Dallas, they are not like the other Dems that were living in the WH that were like spiders attached to the walls. 

by now probably the Bushes are moved to their new home in Dallas, they are not like the other Dems that were living in the WH that were like spiders attached to the walls.

Hardly--they sure seem to be stuck to the use of Blair House.

I am sure that GWB is more kind to our new PE O than what Bill Clinton was with him.

Got proof of anything Clinton did to Bush?  And don't come back with the lies about W's being removed from keyboards.

Got proof of anything Clinton did to Bush? 

Clinton did tell Bush to keep an eye on Bin Laden.

They NEVER come back with proof as facts, truth and reality scares them.

The diatribe of suspending the Constitution of the USA was a fabrication of the Dems to agitate the masses.

det,  You're right gal.  The Constitution has not been suspended except for that pesky first ten amendments: the Bill of Rights.  Specifically 1,4,5,6 and 8.  But that's no big deal he left a few unmarred.

If you believe that you have the same Rights or Constitution you had eight years ago, you are wrong.  It gives me NO pleasure to tell you that.

There is suspending the Constitution and then there is this.

Read it and weep.  I do.

Regards

Thanks Barbara.

det, good luck to you.  And to all of us.

Regards

Oh, please.

In 2 years let's see the approval of our Congress and President.

Well, one way or the other Det in two years we will see. My crystal ball is broke but I do know that Obama is walking into one heck of a mess whereas Bush had it easy breezy in comparison when he assumed the job from Clinton.

Our honorable Congress is the one that made the mess that we are now and instead of tighten their belt they are spending more and more. Our new President is having a good ride because he is having a normal transition and everything is in place, i.e. others had to crack the eggs to make the omelette that Obama is going to eat.

Failure to reconnect with reality after 8 years of Bushworld is not a good sign Det. We both know that Congress could do very little without Bush's approval so blaming this on Congress is a little dishonest don't you think?

No, Mr. Lucky.  Our Congress's dishonesty is shown in full view thanks to the age of technology.  Our politicians just want to be elected and re-elected again.   

Our Congress's dishonesty is shown in full view thanks to the age of technology.

And Bush's isn't?

The buck stops with Puppet-King Bush and Puppet-Master Cheney.  Period

Barbara,

Notice that I address our PE O with the respect that the Office of the Presidency gives to him, even when he in person does not arrive to the even 15% of my approval.

det, You can do what you want in America, so go ahead respect traitors and criminals.  Me, I'll save the respect for those that deserve it. 

BTW knocked you off for a bitter election results person WAY back in the early comments.

Oh and PE O is not repectful it probably is the only thing you can choke out.

det,  The term 'knocking off' means that I was aware, and had nothing to do with any Vine function or button.  Sorry that term upset you. 

All of the rest I stand behind.  The traitors and Criminals I referred to are Bush & Cheney, et al(just to clarify).

Regards